Thu, Mar 13 2008 - 3:45 PM EDT

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Thu, Apr 24 2008 - 11:18 AM EDT

Hi Brian

As a free thinking, mature 48 year old, and someone who has a modicum of intelligence, I have some difficulty in agreeing with your hypothesis that Freemasonry is subversive, satanic, a religous sect or Luciferian cult.

It seems commonplace to make references to certain texts in Albert Pike's tome Morals & Dogma, to support claims that Freemasonry is indeed all of the above things. It is in my view a mistake to lift a few lines off a page, without reading the text, chapter or page as a whole, when if done so gives a completely different meaning.

This book as I am sure you are aware, is no longer given to candidates participating in the Scottish Rite strand of Freemasonry, in 1974 in preference to another publication. Indeed the whole work can at best and is commonly accepted to consist of only 50% of Pikes own hand, and of that percentage much of what is written cannot be confirmed as being attributed to Pike. The other 50% is a colaboration with other scholars and academics.

Morals & Dogma, as it sets out in the beginning is not intended as a literal guide to Freemasonry, but challenges the minds of those becoming Masons to consider its content, and to form their own opinions.

Freemasonry, is its own worst enemy, the perception that it is anti-establishment is not helped by its tradition of supposed secrecy. It is trying (in the UK at least) to be more open. However, because its members refrain from revealing its "secrets" or modes of Masonic recognition is damned if they do or damned if the don't. Furthermore, it cannot be denied that Freemasonry has provided unwitting "cover" to those individuals or subverssive groups, enabling them to participate in the most undesirous of activities, further damaging grass roots or genuine Masonry.

It is my belief, therefore that Freemasonry, genuine Freemasonry is not Satanic, quasi religous or anything else, but an organisation whose members principles of Brotherly Love, Relief and Truth and philanthropic motives are sadly misunderstood.

Regards

Paul

Sat, Apr 26 2008 - 9:33 AM EDT

Sorry Paul! Albert Pike is not the only Freemason authority to make such claims of Satanic origins and the interpretatons of the rituals and oaths. It's not just Albert Pike or his book that makes Freemasonry "Satanic!" The web page https://members.tripod.com/crossbearer-brian/id26.htm uncovers more!

Freemasonry is a counterfeit religion. All men are condemned to hell as sinners, for "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God" Paul wrote in the book of Romans. The only redemption can be found in Christ Jesus alone. Every counterfeit form of salvation is "Luciferian" or "Satanic"! The "good works" of Freemasons cannot atone for the wickedness in the heart of the Mason! Only the blood of Jesus can, and those whom have been born again, and now have the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit, cannot remain in the Lodge without great conviction by the Spirit of God to flee the Lodge!

You need to be born again to escape hell Paul!

In Christ,

Brian 

Sun, Apr 27 2008 - 7:48 PM EDT

Hi Brian

I would concede that there are other works, by others who make claim to Freemasonry being linked with satan and other black arts.

Similarly, there are books by leading theolgians and Biblical scholars, that challenge the very meaning of the Bible! 

Sticking with Albert Pike, he does not "claim" that Freemasonry is either satanic or Luceferian, you (and others) are mis-reading the text!

In the chapter " the Apprentice", it states that Freemasonry does not try to "ape religion", it is also clear that every Mason should consider the Bible (or other Holy Book) according to your beliefs, the unerring standard of truth and justice, and to conduct your life by the devine doctrins it contains.

Let us look at the controversial reference to Lucifer, and remember that Pike compares Freemasonry and its traditions of symbolic reference and allegory with the ancient Greeks and Egyptians.

Lucifer is a poetic name for the "morning star", a close translation of the Greek eosphoros, the "dawn-bringer" (son of Eos, "dawn"), which appears in the Odyssey and in Hesiod's Theogony. Venus is characterized as the morning star because it rises on the early morning horizon before the sunrise. This very fact led the ancients to give it the name lucifer, as it announced the coming of the morning light.

This is the Lucifer, Pike is clearly referring to, not the common interpretation by Christians following a reference made to Lucifer in Dante's Inferno. From which modern Christians refer to Lucifer as being the fallen angel who is Satan, the embodiment of evil and the enemy of God.

Conveniently, Christians neatly associate Freemasons, with Lucifer. hence Satan, therefore evil! Sorry but it just does not stand up to closer scrutiny.

No need to visit your webpage, Freemasonry is not Satanic. 

 Regards

Paul 

Mon, Apr 28 2008 - 8:14 AM EDT

Paul, I repeat my last reply, ... if you are not "born again" through faith in Jesus Christ, your hellbound! Everyone who is truly born again and has the Holy Spirit indwelling, cannot partake in the oaths, rituals and actions of the Lodge as these actions are in direct disobedience to the Word of God. God instructed us not to swear oaths, not to call anyone but Jesus "Worshipful Master" nor to blaspheme the name of God as the Masonic Lodge has perpetuated in "Jah-Bal-On"! These are only a few of the abominable actions of the lodge!

Freemasonry gives its members a false security, thinking that their good works will give them an entrance into the Kingdom of God. Only Jesus, through his blood, can one enter heaven.

You need to be born again, Paul!

In Christ,

Brian

Mon, Apr 28 2008 - 10:57 AM EDT

Hi Brian

Are you a politician, as you have avoided answering my previous point with anything specific.

Ok, let us look at Oaths. God you say intructs us not to take oaths. By natural tendency then this would preclude the very patriotic Oath of Allegience, military personnel taking their oath, which in our case includes an oath of allegience to our reigning Monarch, also no oaths to tell the truth in a court of Law, I take it that to use the words "so help me God" would be considered blasphemous?

You cannot have the penny and the bun, in any event a Mason takes an obligation, he does not swear an oath (in the UK at least).

The term Worshipful Master, is an endearment, a recognition of his status as head of the Lodge. the word "worshipful" maybe distasteful to some, and perhaps not the best choice of words, however he is most definately not revered as some false god by lodge members.

Paul

Mon, Apr 28 2008 - 12:47 PM EDT

Mat 5:34-37 GNB   But now I tell you: do not use any vow when you make a promise. Do not swear by heaven, for it is God's throne; nor by earth, for it is the resting place for his feet; nor by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. Do not even swear by your head, because you cannot make a single hair white or black. Just say 'Yes' or 'No'---anything else you say comes from the Evil One.

Jas 5:12  GNB   Above all, my friends, do not use an oath when you make a promise. Do not swear by heaven or by earth or by anything else. Say only "Yes" when you mean yes, and "No" when you mean no, and then you will not come under God's judgment.

Mat 23:10  Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

Rev 19:10  And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Thu, May 22 2008 - 2:13 PM EDT

Sadly, the Masonic fraternity is the fraternity chosen by religious zealots to attack. Their argument is always the belief that Masonry is religious and Anti-Christ because they cannot comprehend the idea of men working together in charity and for charity causes not using the name "Christ" in anything they do. Many legitimate counterpoints were issued in this discussion and the only counter used againt the "FACTS"was bible chapters.  If the person who doesn't believe what is countered to his opinion to be true, then there is no point of discussion to the contrary. I have found that these zealots have their own motives and objectives instead of supposedly warning people of the evils of Masons amongst us. For all of you who are reading this blog, please obtain a copy of the book A Pilgram's Path,  the lies against masonry have been debunked in the book and are FACTUALLY correct. You will find see who people like Ankerberg knowingly lies about the Masonic fraternity to make a profit.

Tue, May 27 2008 - 5:22 PM EDT

Dear Harold,

The fact is, that you cannot be born again of the Holy Spirit of the living God and partake in the rituals of the Masonic Lodge.  To partake in the rituals of the Lodge, the initiate has to disobey the Word of God! Sorry buddy! Your not a true Christian! 

Fri, Sep 26 2008 - 9:24 AM EDT

I saw the YouTube 'discussion' re freemsonry and Christianity.

I got a bit a confused when the discussion turned on the point of worshipping G_d. My understanding is that to be a freemason, you must have a belief in a single omninpotent deity and you take your obligation on a copy of your 'sacred' book. Now, I may be a bit thick, but if everyone on this planet believed in a single omnipotent deity, but each one of us had a different name for it, then we are still worshipping the same G_d. If there is one book in a room, and one person describes it as a tome, another a book another a volume -it is still the same book. G_d is G_d - there is only one (and by definition, there can only be one).

I can point to things in the Bible that even the most ardent Christian would have problems explaining - but that doesn't mean that the end result of their belief in a single G-d is wrong. 

 I'd rather be with anyone on this planet who is true of heart and does good, than any so called 'religious' person who excuses and justifies why their religion does bad.

Fri, Oct 31 2008 - 9:47 AM EDT

Steve, you do err in your thoughts. The Bible condemns the worship of any other God, than the one true living God revealed in Christ Jesus our Lord!

Idolatry is the worship of other gods!

Wed, Nov 19 2008 - 6:43 PM EST

Brian is clearly not going to accept any statement aside from what he has stated himself.

I do not worship Jesus Brian,  do you love me?

The statement "love thy neighbor" is only applicable  If you happen to live next to a Christian?

And while we are taking books out of context, do Jesus and God want me to kill my son?      Or  was that just one man that they demanded sacrifice from... I'm confused.

Wed, Nov 19 2008 - 6:46 PM EST

To elaborate on my point, its confusing to love thy neighbor, yet condemn him to hell because when I pray I dont punctuate it with the same word you do...

What manner of benevolent being would be so vain or trivial?

Thu, Mar 12 2009 - 2:51 PM EDT

Chris,

You are confused. You are either being sarcastic about taking the Bible out of context or you are blinded to what it is saying. As Christians we are called to love, but that does not mean to accept what is truly against God. God wanted us to warn those who are going against what God commands:

Ezekiel 3:17-21

16 At the end of seven days the word of the LORD came to me: 17 "Son of man, I have made you a watchman for the house of Israel; so hear the word I speak and give them warning from me. 18 When I say to a wicked man, 'You will surely die,' and you do not warn him or speak out to dissuade him from his evil ways in order to save his life, that wicked man will die for [a] his sin, and I will hold you accountable for his blood. 19 But if you do warn the wicked man and he does not turn from his wickedness or from his evil ways, he will die for his sin; but you will have saved yourself.

    20 "Again, when a righteous man turns from his righteousness and does evil, and I put a stumbling block before him, he will die. Since you did not warn him, he will die for his sin. The righteous things he did will not be remembered, and I will hold you accountable for his blood. 21 But if you do warn the righteous man not to sin and he does not sin, he will surely live because he took warning, and you will have saved yourself."

When you speak of God asking Abraham to sacrifice Isaac--it was to prove that Abraham feared God and was willing to sacrifice his own son because God asked him to. God stopped Abraham right before he was about to sacrifice his son because he knew that Abraham would have gone through with it and thus feared God. God did not actually have Isaac sacrificed.

Brian is a watchman as identified in Ezekiel 3 and 33. We are all called to be watchmen for Christ if we are truly following Him. If you had cancer and there was only one treatment for that cancer wouldn't you want your doctor to tell you? Likewise, Jesus Christ is the only answer to this world and the only Way to the Father. If we obey and keep his commands, not merely listening to them and so decieving ourselves, but doing them, we will stand firm to the end. We are saved by the grace of God, but if we do not produce fruit in keeping with repentance of sin, then we will fall away. This is why Brian and others tell you what God's Word says.

I pray that you may know the Lord Jesus Christ as your personal Savior and that you will give Him your whole life. Jesus is the only truth.

Fri, May 15 2009 - 3:14 AM EDT

Brian,

Fri, May 15 2009 - 9:58 PM EDT

Jonathan, I trust you are a counterfeit! You claim to be Christian, however, you clearly have not read the scriptures! You claim that Jesus never went around telling people to Repent! May I quote you one of several times that He DID in fact tell people to repent:

Matthew 4:17
    From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

and again

If I hated the Masons, I would not say a word. I would simply let them continue in their sin and perish! Jesus was nailed to a cross for telling people to repent from their sins and turn to Him!

Jonathan, you are not yet "Born again" by the Holy Spirit. YOu have religion, but you are not yet born again! Without the Holy Spirit, you cannot discearn between Good and Evil! I encourage you to repent and surrender your life to Jesus CHrist calling upon his name!

Mon, May 18 2009 - 2:45 AM EDT

Brian,

I sir am not a counterfeit, and I never said anything about christ not claiming repentance. Just don't go around telling good people what they're doing is going to make them burn. Christ told people to love people. That's how I live my life, and Christ's atonement is all I need. I don't need your approval, because I know I have a heavenly father who loves me. Just remember that he loves everyone, and doesn't want to see any of his children fall away from him. But in the end he will be the one to judge you, and all of us. Don't think you are God, you have no room to condemn anyone to hell. 

Jonathan 

Mon, May 25 2009 - 4:23 PM EDT

Jonathan, I don't recall condemning anyhone to hell. However, I have done what the Bible commands us to do, encourage others who disobey God's word, to repent and turn to Christ!

Luke 24:47
    And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

ONLY those whom are "born" of the Spirit of God are children of God.

Romans 8:14
    For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Scripture declares that those who are NOT born again and have not received the Holy Spirit, are NOT children of God! God created them, yes, but they are NOT his children! In fact, in John 8:44, Jesus told the pharisees, who did not believe his words, that their father was the devil, not God!

Romans 9:8
    That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God:

Romans ch 8 explains that children of the flesh includes everyone that has not been born of the Holy Spirit through repentance and faith in Jesus Christ!

So Jonathan, if you are not born again, you are not one of God's children. If you are truly born of God, then you would have a craving &  thirst to know God's word and the truth that God has spoken through his word!

I'm not condemning you or anyone else. It is just the Gospel message! 

Wed, Nov 11 2009 - 2:10 PM EST

masons are not satanic who ever says they are a retarded

Mon, Mar 22 2010 - 3:13 PM EDT

Mon, Mar 22 2010 - 3:36 PM EDT

Dear Brian, you say Mason's are sinners, so I have a question for you Brian. Are you a sinner? I am, I am a sinner.

Crossbearer83 on youtube you are clearly judging people, do you enjoy taking the Lord's job?

Mon, Mar 22 2010 - 3:45 PM EDT

Why did you cut me off on youtube as I tried to defend myself as a born again christian? don't you love? You purposely left out your last comment and mine so that you could make it seem that I am not a true christian. You are a very hurtful, manipulative and mean person. I have been annointed by the Holy spirit. I go to champion church. org in Yuma. If I wasn't serving in Iraq right now I would want to come pray with you about what your doing. All you can do is quote the word but you can't do anything else but attack and spread your bad seed. You reap what you sow and you are creating quite a bad harvest. You can't prove anything, not one thing but use other men's anti masonic quotes. How do you know if I am a Mason or not? I know right from wrong and you are wrong for judging other organizations, religions and people as christians. That is not your job.

Mon, Mar 22 2010 - 3:59 PM EDT

By the way Brian, the title "worshipful master" is taken out of context. In England town mayor's were given the title worshipful master and other important figures. It is still used today in some places, and master is still used as the school principal. You are taking this out of context without even researching it. Im an american serving in Iraq on crappy internet and I can read through all the misinformation. God is Love

Mon, Mar 22 2010 - 4:03 PM EDT

Oh My Word, You are So Clearly Confused! I just read what you said about God's children. We Are All God's children and who gave you the right to know who is and who isn't? end of discussion

Mon, Mar 22 2010 - 4:55 PM EDT

Ok so maybe you didnt cut me off on youtube, or maybe you did. There is so much wonderful scripture that it can be used to argue anything in any direction. I don't doubt you know it very well and obviously better than me. You are apparently practiced in fighting organisation and religion. That being said, the books, and writings on freemasonry can also be taken any which way. The only official Masonic books are coded and are not public. The problem is the traditions of freemasonry hinder its public opinion and defense in what it really is. If the boy scouts were in secret for hundreds of years I am sure the same thing would have happened to it. Besides all of this, God doesnt want quarreling like this, I cannot do this anymore, I know that freemasonry is not a religion of any kind. You are still going to go with your experience and information.

Mon, Mar 22 2010 - 6:29 PM EDT

Rom 9:8  That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God:

Rom 8:9  You, however, are not of the flesh but under the control of the Spirit, since God's Spirit lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to him.

Rom 8:14  For all who are led by God's Spirit are God's children.

Mon, Mar 22 2010 - 6:35 PM EDT

I tried to ignore this but I dont want you to think you left me speechless from your scripture. I believe you bear many fruits and have built up quite a kingdom in heaven for your family. But you can't force your beliefs on others, that is what is known as bible-thumping and I despise that term. Not saying thats what your doing, but you cant force feed people, and controversy and conspiracy theories are ruining your fruits of the spirit I am sure. I can counter everything in arguement over freemasonry, as a person could counter scripture verses scripture but it's just a different view as all the religious views out there. Yes the prince of lies created all of it as diversions and distractions from the truth. But that is up to the people to find themselves. I mean, Jesus didnt go out and attack the pharisees, religous leaders or anyone. He just spread his love, shouldn't that be your focus? Secrets, even families have secrets. I joined the Army and had to give promise an oath that even referred to God. Masonry is not a religion. Our country's first presidential cabinet were all freemason's after the Declaration was created. freemasonry founded our country. the crusades to capture Jerusalem is how it started. then they had to go underground to avoid the French. It has been kept in tradition ever since. It is not evil in anyway. In its early years many people weren't accepted membership and started rumors that evolved over the years. Other groups formed like the oddfellows so they wouldnt feel left out and some of those groups gave it all a bad name. the illuminati is a hoax from the 1700's, the skull and crossbones is the one that is scary. freemasonry and its affiliates are all about charity and shriner childrens hospitals. they bring the circus into town and other family events. freemasonry is the backbone of early america and the military.  It's your site, you get the final word

Fri, Jul 8 2011 - 12:12 AM EDT

FYI - there have been people who were high into Freemasonry that got out, and even became Christian ministers.

Jim Shaw is one of them - he was a high ranking 33rd Degreerer. He elaborated how at one "initiation" meeting, he saw some big wig government/corporate officials, as well as BILLY GRAHAM(Yes, Graham is a high level Freemason and it's well documented).

Bill Schnevelin(sp) is another - he was also a Roman Catholic priest. He got saved b/c a Christian woman at a bank saw his checks being made payable to the Church of Satan, and started praying for him. He also admitted he would infiltrate churches during his time as a Satanist and start causing divisions by gossiping about the pastor.

Doc Marquis is another former high level occultist who was exposed to all of the New World Order plans.

There are others I can't think of at the moment, but you need to go to youtube to hear their testimonies.

And yes, Freemasonry is Satanic - the worst part is that the lower level initiates in particular think it's some "elite men's club" despite all the witchcraft nonsense they play around with. Ultimately, they are bringing demonic spirits on them.

And look how many of our Presidents are Masons(ie-Obama, Reagan, FDR, LBJ, Teddy Rooselvelt, Ford, Truman, Washington, etc) as well as bible seminary founders(ie-BH Carroll and George Truett). No wonder why today's "churches" and Capitol Hill is completely leavened. A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump...

Ultimately, there may be "good" people in the masons, but demonic spirits are controlling them by the puppet strings. It's not like Satan will pose himself as a Charles Manson type of guy. Marvel not that Satan masquarades as an angel of light...

Fri, Jul 8 2011 - 10:07 PM EDT

Also, Chris Pinto has made 2 excellent DVD presentations on Freemasonry. One being "Hidden Faiths of our Founding Fathers", and the other "Riddles in Stone".

Fri, Jul 8 2011 - 10:08 PM EDT

Oops, forgot to say you can view them for free on youtube.com

Tue, Apr 10 2012 - 6:45 PM EDT

hi, nice website... thanks specially for the hiram abiff section of the ritual handbook... acutally its part of the isreal ritual from god and the leaving of egypt, changed for freemason purposes and their "symbolic" meaning... indeed... god gave man laws.. these laws have been carried on by great prophets when god came in visions to them... at least the writing of moses is the root of all the more successful teachings... i guess you can not say all masons are the same.. .there is evil everywhere... bad teaching... but actually when men meet to be friends its an better thing then to meet and make war =)

 cheers!

Mon, Apr 15 2013 - 4:32 PM EDT

you guys have lost your mind when it comes to freemasonry.  you guys have broken more of the 10 comandments in your condimnation of freemasons.  If you have never been a freemason then you have no right to make judgement.  If you are a fallen brother mason then you are not to make judgement on anyone.  God doesnt judge anyone untill their last day on earth, neither should we.  Please focus on your religion and learn all you can because if you have anything to do with these unproven lies you will most definatly need your religion on your judgement day.  Good luck with that day for you.  My Grandfather was a baptist minister and one of the best freemason i have ever known.  its never to late for you guys to turn, so you dont burn,  we will be praying to God that he gives you mercy on your judgement day..  please ask forgiveness and take down this evil site